Swearing Problem

[Spirit]

Yes, this is most-likely not a problem for most of you. But I want you uou to know..I think it should be banned. It's something I don't really appreciate. And if you want me to give you good credit for your forums, you may want to change this. (This rule includes sensor bypassing, and using symbols to represent letters)

[Shiva64]

Great... a newb who thinks they own the forum. <_<

Look, the rule is what it is. We can swear if we want, and you don't like it, you shouldn't have joined in the first place. -_-

[Leverish]

Shiva64 said:

Great... a newb who thinks they own the forum. <_<

Look, the rule is what it is. We can swear if we want, and you don't like it, you shouldn't have joined in the first place.

I don't want to seem like a newb who owns this forum, either, but you know it kinda makes this place look messy.

People should at least star it out like ****.

[Jason-RN]

Okay, here's the scoop: People can swear, but the censor will kick in. That's fine with me. If people bypass the censor, I edit the post and depending on how many times they bypass it, warn them.

[IRuleSSB]

I'd agree as well. If we took a vote, I know I'd certainly take it out. Having it [profanity] makes them look more unprofessional...but that's just me...

*hopes he isn't a newbie as well*

(And no, you don't have Freedom of Speech on a message board, in case anyone was wondering. You have the freedom to obey the rules, and if no swearing is a rule, you can't swear. Just thought I'd throw that out there, in case anyone was gonna try to use it as an argument...not saying that anyone would though.)

Edit: Uhh, ok, for some reason I didn't see JSR's post when I posted this...JSR, if you want, delete this post, but I honestly didn't see your post first.

[BRO_co03-RN]

IRuleSSB said:

I'd agree as well. If we took a vote, I know I'd certainly take it out. Having it [profanity] makes them look more unprofessional...but that's just me...

*hopes he isn't a newbie as well*

(And no, you don't have Freedom of Speech on a message board, in case anyone was wondering. You have the freedom to obey the rules, and if no swearing is a rule, you can't swear. Just thought I'd throw that out there, in case anyone was gonna try to use it as an argument...not saying that anyone would though.)

Edit: Uhh, ok, for some reason I didn't see JSR's post when I posted this...JSR, if you want, delete this post, but I honestly didn't see your post first.

We do have freedom of speech. However, we must all stay within the limits set forth by higher authorities. JSR started this forum and customized it the way it is, so he has more authority over us. Pat wrote the PB code and is paying for the hosting of it, so he has more authority over JSR. It can keep going up the line to EV1Servers.net (the host of Proboards), City of Houston (headquarters of EV1Servers.net), State of Texas, and the US.
Everyone has the follow the rules and laws of the higher authority, but other than that we can say what ever we want.

[Oscar-RN]

Bottom Line: You can say anything you want, just don't bypass the censor and you will be fine.

[redpaige]

Hey, shut up.

JSR and Bro has the swearing thing under control. If they se something they seriously don't like, they'll take care of it. This is a small forum, so far nothing bad has seriously happened of gotten out of control because of cussing.

If you don't like it, you're more than welcome to leave.

[Respect the Vampire]

Lammy said:

Hey, shut up.

JSR and Bro has the swearing thing under control. If they se something they seriously don't like, they'll take care of it. This is a small forum, so far nothing bad has seriously happened of gotten out of control because of cussing.

If you don't like it, you're more than welcome to leave.

Agreed... So if you don't like it, leave we don't give a d**n.

[redpaige]

SUPERLINK said:

Agreed... So if you don't like it, leave we don't give a d**n.

Pound it *puts up fist*

[keviokevio]

hey! i wanna fight to! ROAR!

[KoE_Hades]

Swearing might be rude and inappropriate, but they still are words and so they can express someone's feelings. So, I say the censor is just fine.

[Shiva64]

What I don't get is what's wrong with swearing? They're words. They've been around for a very long time. Thousands of years infact. Probably as old as language itself. Swearing wasn't foul language during those times as well. Until the stupid Christians and stupid royalty wanted to ban the words in formal speech. Then it went down to the peasants, and other non-royalty people. People's TONGUES were cut off if they were caught swearing. This is all a fact too..

Hell.. if sh*t, and the other words weren't targeted, I'm pretty sure others would've been.

[KoE_Hades]

Yeah, that is true in fact. If you think about it that way, what Shiva is saying is all right.

[IRuleSSB]

BRO_co03 said:

We do have freedom of speech. However, we must all stay within the limits set forth by higher authorities. JSR started this forum and customized it the way it is, so he has more authority over us. Pat wrote the PB code and is paying for the hosting of it, so he has more authority over JSR. It can keep going up the line to EV1Servers.net (the host of Proboards), City of Houston (headquarters of EV1Servers.net), State of Texas, and the US.
Everyone has the follow the rules and laws of the higher authority, but other than that we can say what ever we want.

Freedom implies no limitations. The American Heritage Dictionary defines "freedom" (via Dictionary.com) as:

"The condition of being free of restraints."

Once you enter those restraining factors that you mentioned, you drop the freedom of speech. You have a limited freedom, but not freedom. That's all I was trying to say.

As for swearing, well, I'm not gonna say much. If you want, take a look at this page:

my.hamilton.net/~joshandlisa/cussing.htm

You don't have to go there though...chances are you won't all like what you see. Here's the main thing. Swearing takes words out of context. Yes, the "s" word does have a meaning of "defaecation" or "excrement." The "b" word means adult, female dog. However, when you call someone a "b-word" (if you can't tell, I abstain from profanity), you are calling them something they aren't. Quite frankly, that's just kinda silly, if you ask me. Personally, I don't see much wrong with saying these words in context. However, that doesn't make them profanity. That means you are speaking the English language, albeit a very messed up language. Using them out of context in a vulgar manner makes them profane.

Now, as for what Shiva said...not all of that is fact. You said:

"Swearing wasn't foul language during those times as well"

Back in the Bible times (or before, whatever), there was profanity. English didn't really exist in the form it does today, so the "b-word" and the "f-word" may not have existed (and likewise, meant anything good or bad). However, other languages did exist (Latin, Greek, Hebrew, etc.). Believe it or not, it was possible to swear in those times in those languages. As was mentioned, profanity (or, "irreverent language") is simply language that is used to put someone or something in a bad light. It can, however, be against the constitution to use such language. Take a look at this page:

supreme.lp.findlaw.com/constitution/amendment01/18.html

That talks a bit about a couple things such as libel and slander. Those two words (libel=written, slander=spoken) refer to the defamation of the Government of the United States of America (or whatever nation one is in under the law). Any speech that can be found to have intent to overthrow that government, or to drive people to sedition, can be found unconsitutional.

However, this doesn't go for just the government. If you openly and explicitly attempt to do damage to one's character, you can be charged under the same consequences as someone trying to overthrow the government. So, legally, profanity can get one into a lot of trouble. It doesn't have to be those societally profane words though, just ones aimed at the destruction of an organization's or individual's character and stability.

Then, of course, there's the whole moral issues. Morals can't be defined accross the board, so I won't say much. I'll say though, that if you want peope to respect you, you have to respect them. By most standards, it is morally wrong to put someone down, as you aren't showing them that respect. This issue goes much deeper, but I won't delve too far. If you are aiming profanity not at a person, but rather just in general, obviously you can't get in trouble legally. Swearing in the Bible, etc., was usually referred to as "taking the Lord's name in vain." Basically, disrespecting God's name. Other words ("f-word," etc.) don't do that, but they do show vulgarity when used in the aforementioned wrong context. Many consider it just as immoral to use vulgar speech. Again though, that is up to you to choose. No one can choose your morals for you.

Basically, here's what I am getting at. Swearing is considered morally wrong by many. No one can make "profaners" stop using that language with a clear conscience, but a lot can be done to restrict the public exposition of it. If JSR want's to allow it, that's fine. They are his boards (And that of proboards? I'm not sure how the system works), and he can allow the words he wants, as profanity can be permitted in places as determined by the proper authorities.

Remember though, if you use profanity in the wrong manner - even if "allowed" by JSR - you can get into some legal trouble. JSR can make these boards how he wants, but that doesn't mean any of us have to use that language. As I said, I'm not gonna whine about getting rid of saying certain words. I'm just saying to use it in a respectable manner (i.e., in the right context).

Note: When I used "you" in this post, I was not referring to an individual, unless explicitely stated.

*wonders how many people will read this*