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Post by Pilgrim John on Nov 24, 2006 1:12:43 GMT -5
Hey, man, be positive. You're ignoring Zelda? And Sonic and the Secret Rings, which looks like the best Sonic game to date? The controls aren't gimmicky at all; the thing is, you probably haven't even played a demo yet. So unless you go out and play a demo, you shouldn't be talkin' crap about the Wii. Besides that, I had fun with the next-gen Sonic. The only thing I hated was the Tails parts... will that kid ever get a good spot? Or good acting? It's a tough time to be a Tails fan... Well, that and the acting. Seriously, it was bad, worse than in Shadow the Hedgehog. Sonic was pretty much emotionless, Tails sounded even girlier than he did previously, and even Eggman's usually decent acting was horrid. Well, anyway, I liked the Next-Gen Sonic (save for a few flaws), and I think that numbers will tell what a great launch the Wii has enjoyed. Can't say I'm a big Zelda fan either. I fiind the games good, but jsut not my fave either. I have noticed a trend in Sonic games. With each new game, the series gets crappier. Not that the older Sonic games are bad. If the kid doesn't want a Wii, don't force the Wii on him. I want a Wii more than I do with the X360 I own, but I probanly won't get one til at the least near the end of 2007, or 2008. Unless you've played each and every Sonic game released, and I'm willing to bet the answer to THAT particular question is a resounding "No", you should just not say anything of the sort. You know why? The Sonic Advance games were rather thrilling, with beautiful graphics, tight gameplay, and some excellent level design. Sonic Rush on DS was a masterpiece, bringing back everything that made the Genesis games the classics they are while throwing in tons of awesome stuff like a touch-controlled version of the Sonic 2 bonus levels, a speed gauge that allows you to go at faster than light speed, some of the most gorgeous visuals on the handheld, and even the trippiest soundtrack I've ever heard. If you hate "Ska-Cha-Cha", you are dead on the inside. Not to mention I'm hearing good things about Sonic Rivals on PSP. Haven't played it because I don't have a PSP, but this title, along with MegaMan Powered Up!, Guilty Gear Judgment, and Silent Hill Origins makes me really wish the PSP's pricepoint would just come down so that I could play them. The fact is, you have likely not been playing Sonic games very much or often recently, but are still issuing out a negative opinion. Sonic is not dead or getting worse; you're just not looking in the right places. You want a game series that's fallen from grace, go play Dynasty Warriors. I'm not forcing the Wii on him, I'm disagreeing with his opinion over the Wii's launch, as to whether it is a good launch or a bad one. Read carefully next time, and you might catch 100% of what we're talking about. And Richard? Trauma Center doesn't just own. It rocks. |
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Post by Waffle Monger on Nov 24, 2006 1:31:05 GMT -5
I have played:
- Sonic the Hedgehog
- Sonic the Hedgehog 2
- Sonic Spinball
- Sonic Chaos
- Sonic CD
- Sonic the Hedgehog 3
- Sonic & Knuckles
- Sonic 3D Blast
- Sonic Blast
- Sonic R
- Sonic Adventure
- Sonic Shuffle
- Sonic Adventure 2 Battle
- Sonic Heros
- Sonic Adventure DX
- Shadow the Hedgehog
- Sonic Riders
- Sonic whatever the name is for the X360 (demo)
Don't get me wrong, I liked the older Sonic games, but it's my opinion that with each new Sonic game that came out, I thought it seemed to be more of a cheap, broken, annual game being pushed by Sega. I can't stand the 3D Sonic games. I am beginning to resent the lil' blue bugger.
oh and I don't care for Dynsaty Warriors much. Play one of them, you have played every other one ever made.
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Post by Agent Smith on Nov 24, 2006 12:18:35 GMT -5
Dude, Pilgrim John, the PSP's price tag has dropped for a while now, where have you been?
You can now buy the PSP Entertainment Pack (includes the system, a movie, a game, a usb cable, the battery, power cable, and a 1 gb memory card) for $250, thats a deal!
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Post by Pilgrim John on Nov 24, 2006 14:31:04 GMT -5
Dude, Pilgrim John, the PSP's price tag has dropped for a while now, where have you been? You can now buy the PSP Entertainment Pack (includes the system, a movie, a game, a usb cable, the battery, power cable, and a 1 gb memory card) for $250, thats a deal! Can they sell it for $150? That's a deal. 250 smackers is what I'm paying for a Nintendo Wii, a home console. Handhelds should cost at least 50 dollars less. I'm not letting Sony think they can milk money from my wallet. And as I suspected, Gray: you haven't played the three-part Sonic Advance sub-series or Sonic Rush, arguably the greatest Sonic games made in modern day. I'm not as fond of the 3D Sonics as I am of the 2D Sonics, but I find that the stories and characters in the 3D Sonic games are what give the 3D games an edge, if anything at all. Plus, the best 3D Sonic so far is Sonic Heroes, which was pretty inventive. Why do you hate the 3D Sonics anyway? You think the controls are sloppy or something? |
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Post by Waffle Monger on Nov 24, 2006 14:37:57 GMT -5
Dude, it's the same price as before. Just has some better stuff.... ><
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Post by benwayshouse on Nov 24, 2006 17:10:55 GMT -5
Hey, man, be positive. You're ignoring Zelda? And Sonic and the Secret Rings, which looks like the best Sonic game to date? The controls aren't gimmicky at all; the thing is, you probably haven't even played a demo yet. So unless you go out and play a demo, you shouldn't be talkin' crap about the Wii. Besides that, I had fun with the next-gen Sonic. The only thing I hated was the Tails parts... will that kid ever get a good spot? Or good acting? It's a tough time to be a Tails fan... Well, that and the acting. Seriously, it was bad, worse than in Shadow the Hedgehog. Sonic was pretty much emotionless, Tails sounded even girlier than he did previously, and even Eggman's usually decent acting was horrid. Well, anyway, I liked the Next-Gen Sonic (save for a few flaws), and I think that numbers will tell what a great launch the Wii has enjoyed. About that 'talkin' crap 'bout ze Vii,' it's basically the 'thing' to bash PSP without playing it. Not saying you haven't or that you do, but generally speaking devout DS fans are PSP bashers through and through, for dumb reasons. PSP has the games, and if I've got anyone to say otherwise, at least it's getting them. For better or worse, Wii just doesn't have much appeal to me. PSP didn't up to now, DS didn't until last Summer, PS2 didn't until 2002-4, Xbox.. didn't for like ever until I traded my 360 in exchange for my brother's Xbox, etc etc. Zelda may be good, but I'm just not a fan, and according to some Segaheads at the Sega boards it's noticably dated, visually, just with a nice art style. I've also heard good things about Monkey Ball and Trauma Center, I'm a Monkey Ball fan through and through, and Trauma Center was always the coolest non-game-oriented idea for a good while, but I'd rather wait until there are more than two worthwhile games to be there for me to play. There'll be Rayman (yeah I know he's there now, but he'll be cheap when I can get my hands on him), Smash Brothers, those two and more by 2007 when I get one. It's not really the quality of the games that irks me, it's just how it all sounds; console launches are generally never anything spectacular for a good while, Wii's got something going for it because of the idea, but I'm just not ready to get something right out of the gate since there's not much there for me. That's why I said what I said of Dreamcast being ahead of everyone at the start; there was Sonic, there was Hydro Thunder, there was Soul Calibur, there was Power Stone, there were SO MANY FUN games. You couldn't go wrong for virtually ANY of the Dreamcast games at launch, they all showed off the Dreamcast's capabilities without dissecting the fun. Sony's generally known for not bringing the best out at the get-go, and Microsoft's launch for the 360 wasn't that great, nor was its predecessor's. Wii sounds a lot similar, I've heard many bad things about a lot of the 3rd party games, and the first party offerings don't keep attention for long, or so I'm told. Either way I never intended to think it'll be a bad system from here to there, but like most consoles it just doesn't make me go 'Oh! I want that right now!' like some systems. |
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Post by Waffle Monger on Nov 24, 2006 17:52:45 GMT -5
Aye. The dreaded launch dates. Fights and riots and retards, oh my. I can't really stand a system at launch. I find the games that are out to be rather boring, sure there might be a shiny game or 2, but the rest oesn't appeal to me, and the pain it is to get a system and not have enough games to make me want one at that point in time is really just a pain in the ass. Nothing wrong with getting a system later when there are more games and things out for it, and you know more people who play those games, and whatever.
The DS. I wanted that system so badly. There was a lot of crap going on then too. This was soon after the divorce, and I wanted it, my judgement was clouded in hoping a little piece of plastic would fill that empyty void in my heart at the time, when really, all there was out for the DS were lame games. Mostly ports. I feel really stupid now.
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Post by benwayshouse on Nov 24, 2006 17:56:38 GMT -5
Then Summer came, and it paid off, right? That's how it was for me. Kirby and Meteos were really awesome, then along came Fall, and with it, Mario Kart DS, Sonic Rush, and other gems.
PSP really isn't as bad as some say, in fact I'd have reccomended a PSP to anyone for just Lumines had a PS2 port not been announced. And yeah, there's also E3, Gunpey, MegaMan Powered Up, and (to some, I suppose, just not me) Valkyrie Profile, with other games like Disgaea Portable on the way.
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Post by Pilgrim John on Nov 25, 2006 2:01:17 GMT -5
Hey, man, be positive. You're ignoring Zelda? And Sonic and the Secret Rings, which looks like the best Sonic game to date? The controls aren't gimmicky at all; the thing is, you probably haven't even played a demo yet. So unless you go out and play a demo, you shouldn't be talkin' crap about the Wii. Besides that, I had fun with the next-gen Sonic. The only thing I hated was the Tails parts... will that kid ever get a good spot? Or good acting? It's a tough time to be a Tails fan... Well, that and the acting. Seriously, it was bad, worse than in Shadow the Hedgehog. Sonic was pretty much emotionless, Tails sounded even girlier than he did previously, and even Eggman's usually decent acting was horrid. Well, anyway, I liked the Next-Gen Sonic (save for a few flaws), and I think that numbers will tell what a great launch the Wii has enjoyed. About that 'talkin' crap 'bout ze Vii,' it's basically the 'thing' to bash PSP without playing it. Not saying you haven't or that you do, but generally speaking devout DS fans are PSP bashers through and through, for dumb reasons. PSP has the games, and if I've got anyone to say otherwise, at least it's getting them. For better or worse, Wii just doesn't have much appeal to me. PSP didn't up to now, DS didn't until last Summer, PS2 didn't until 2002-4, Xbox.. didn't for like ever until I traded my 360 in exchange for my brother's Xbox, etc etc. Zelda may be good, but I'm just not a fan, and according to some Segaheads at the Sega boards it's noticably dated, visually, just with a nice art style. I've also heard good things about Monkey Ball and Trauma Center, I'm a Monkey Ball fan through and through, and Trauma Center was always the coolest non-game-oriented idea for a good while, but I'd rather wait until there are more than two worthwhile games to be there for me to play. There'll be Rayman (yeah I know he's there now, but he'll be cheap when I can get my hands on him), Smash Brothers, those two and more by 2007 when I get one. It's not really the quality of the games that irks me, it's just how it all sounds; console launches are generally never anything spectacular for a good while, Wii's got something going for it because of the idea, but I'm just not ready to get something right out of the gate since there's not much there for me. That's why I said what I said of Dreamcast being ahead of everyone at the start; there was Sonic, there was Hydro Thunder, there was Soul Calibur, there was Power Stone, there were SO MANY FUN games. You couldn't go wrong for virtually ANY of the Dreamcast games at launch, they all showed off the Dreamcast's capabilities without dissecting the fun. Sony's generally known for not bringing the best out at the get-go, and Microsoft's launch for the 360 wasn't that great, nor was its predecessor's. Wii sounds a lot similar, I've heard many bad things about a lot of the 3rd party games, and the first party offerings don't keep attention for long, or so I'm told. Either way I never intended to think it'll be a bad system from here to there, but like most consoles it just doesn't make me go 'Oh! I want that right now!' like some systems. Dude, I just got through saying that I'd pick one up to play Guilty Gear and Silent Hill, providing Sony wakes up and realizes that their PSP stands for " Positively Sub- Par" and lowers the damned price tag. Think I'm bashing? Hardly. There are four (Six, including the Lumines games) interesting PSP games now, in comparison to the DS's huge roster of awesomeness (Sonic Rush, New Mario, Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow, Advance Wars, Meteos, etc.). That's just a fact I'm saying. The Wii does not dissect the fun. Why not go out and play a demo? See for yourself. It is not pushing innovation over substance. Zelda, Tramua Center, Monkey Ball, and Excite Truck all make good points on that. Not only are these titles imaginative, they are fun to their very core. Let's also not forget Metal Slug Anthology, which can be played with a regular, non-motion-sensing controller. I'm sure the Dreamcast was an excellent system, despite my never having actually owned one. It had games like Soul Calibur, Guilty Gear X, Sonic Adventure, and Chu Chu Rocket. But you have to realize: The dreamcast isn't the only "awesomest console ever" on the block anymore. The Wii just moved into the neighborhood, so now the DC has company. That's how I think of it. Although, come to think of it, I really wish I had a Dreamcast.  |
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Post by Richard-RN on Nov 25, 2006 3:03:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I was aware that the physics processor was in the game, but I only mentioned it because the game was supposed to be one of the "killer app" ps3 launch titles (even though it ended up being slightly delayed). As far as the most powerful commercially purchasable piece of technology, the nvidia Geforce 7900+ cards say hi.
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Post by benwayshouse on Nov 25, 2006 13:12:44 GMT -5
There are four (Six, including the Lumines games) interesting PSP games now More like nine or ten, every Q? game is gold (that makes four instead of both Lumines and Lumines II), plus LocoRoco. Oh, and Disgaea Portable in 2007. Seriously, they rock. Now I wouldn't doubt the DS has more 'good' games, even I can admit that becuase I really have no negative bias towards any of the handhelds now. But for whatever reason, the few good games PSP has (which actually isn't such a low number anymore) are like... extreme. I had more fun with Lumines than any DS game, and E3 was the coolest puzzle shooter explodey music simple game/thing I've ever played. I will play a demo, that's always the best thing to do for any console, especially for a console with a catch like the Wii. But.. until I play them, I can only see them and judge them for what I make them out to be. So Excite Truck only looks gimmicky, Zelda only looks like another Zelda (which can be good or bad, in my case just not appealing), and Monkey Ball and Trauma Center look fun, but I'd rather not have to shell out $400 for a complete package that will then have an almost completely empty release period up into Spring which will then have a crapload of games, good or bad but no doubt highly anticipated, released upon us all. I'd rather buy the system when I know there's lots of variety in place, and two games don't quite cut it. That's why I'll wait until Smash Brothers, that way I'll have a bigger selection of games where I can be confident that I'll have more games on my shelf that I'll like. I never said Dreamcast was the 'best console,' I simply said it had the best launch because there were so many quality games, and on top of that those quality games appealed to plenty of people. That's the best example of a launch, honestly, it got good press, and the launch games (well, most of them) still live on in gamers' hearts because they were in tip-top shape. Wii has every oppurtunity to trump Dreamcast since it's easy to develop for (much like Dreamcast), but with its success more developers can come running to Nintendo to want to get games made for it. Up until E3 2000, that's exactly what Sega had. But Nintendo's a more respected name, especially now because of DS, and I'm sure it'll have a long fruitful lifespan, which my dearest Dreamcast never got. ;.; You need one. It's the bomb. Some of the best displays of first and second party games in any console lineup. |
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Post by Richard-RN on Nov 25, 2006 14:17:31 GMT -5
Has disgaea portable been confirmed for NA? I was kind of excited for it b/c my bro has a psp but I never heard whether or not it was coming stateside.
EDIT: As far as the psp vs. ds thing goes, it all just comes down to preference. I think most people prefer the DS because it has some really solid 2D platformers, a couple really good puzzle games, and Nintendo's classic franchises as well as some new ones. I know some girls who love playing Animal Crossing and Nintendogs, and a couple of older gamers who can't get enough of Brain Age. Nintendo is doing it right with the DS, they are providing innovative experiences to bring new gamers in while providing their fanbase with some incredible new entries in old series and some awesome brand new IPs (Mario Kart, Advance Wars, Elite Beat Agents). It doesnt hurt that they are getting awesome third party exclusives as well (Castlevania, Megaman ZX, Final Fantasy III, Meteos, Dragon Quest).
The problem, I think, that most have with the PSP is that most of the games are fundamentally just portable experiences you could also get on home consoles. Some of the highest rated psp games are games like Socom, Jak, Tekken, etc. When it comes down to it though, I would prefer to play a lot of those games just sitting down with a controller. Not to discount the fact that the PSP has some awesome titles that I no doubt envy (Ghouls and Ghosts, Megaman, possibly Disgaea, Lumines, Valkyrie Profile) but its just not enough to drop 200 dollars on. Maybe if it had a price more like the DS I would be interested, but of course with the technology it affords that would not be at all profitable. So until PSP sees a steady stream of good to great titles, I'm afraid it will continue to be overshadowed by the DSL in terms of sales and solid 3rd party support.
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Post by Agent Smith on Nov 25, 2006 18:38:39 GMT -5
Dude, Pilgrim John, the PSP's price tag has dropped for a while now, where have you been? You can now buy the PSP Entertainment Pack (includes the system, a movie, a game, a usb cable, the battery, power cable, and a 1 gb memory card) for $250, thats a deal! Can they sell it for $150? That's a deal. 250 smackers is what I'm paying for a Nintendo Wii, a home console. Handhelds should cost at least 50 dollars less. I'm not letting Sony think they can milk money from my wallet. And as I suspected, Gray: you haven't played the three-part Sonic Advance sub-series or Sonic Rush, arguably the greatest Sonic games made in modern day. I'm not as fond of the 3D Sonics as I am of the 2D Sonics, but I find that the stories and characters in the 3D Sonic games are what give the 3D games an edge, if anything at all. Plus, the best 3D Sonic so far is Sonic Heroes, which was pretty inventive. Why do you hate the 3D Sonics anyway? You think the controls are sloppy or something? You cant make everyone happy |
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Post by Pilgrim John on Nov 25, 2006 19:10:03 GMT -5
Can they sell it for $150? That's a deal. 250 smackers is what I'm paying for a Nintendo Wii, a home console. Handhelds should cost at least 50 dollars less. I'm not letting Sony think they can milk money from my wallet. And as I suspected, Gray: you haven't played the three-part Sonic Advance sub-series or Sonic Rush, arguably the greatest Sonic games made in modern day. I'm not as fond of the 3D Sonics as I am of the 2D Sonics, but I find that the stories and characters in the 3D Sonic games are what give the 3D games an edge, if anything at all. Plus, the best 3D Sonic so far is Sonic Heroes, which was pretty inventive. Why do you hate the 3D Sonics anyway? You think the controls are sloppy or something? You cant make everyone happy True that, but you can make a LOT of people happy.  |
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Post by Waffle Monger on Nov 25, 2006 19:16:00 GMT -5
You cant make everyone happy True that, but you can make a LOT of people happy. I prefer people to find happiness themselves rather than trying to make a bunch of people happy, because you can draw unwanted attention. |
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