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Post by Agent Smith on Nov 25, 2006 19:19:45 GMT -5
that is true......
I choose to accept all of the video game leaders (ie, sony, microsoft, and nintendo) because they all helped create what makes video games video games today, and i have mad respect for them all.
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Post by Waffle Monger on Nov 25, 2006 19:21:18 GMT -5
I agree. Gaming would be nothing without all 3, all though I miss Sega, I don't really respect Sony as a company however, and Microsoft, my felings for them are barely luke-warm.
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Post by Agent Smith on Nov 25, 2006 19:24:29 GMT -5
Sony and Nintendo are more of the creators of the gaming world then microsoft, but they did publish games like Halo, which widend the gaming community even more. But nintendo was there first (actually, magnavox was, but thats if your a huge Pong fan), so i give them big props for that.
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Post by benwayshouse on Nov 25, 2006 20:18:37 GMT -5
You cant make everyone happy True that, but you can make a LOT of people happy.  Agreed, PSP is good but not worth the $250 that it is. Even without the extra stuff (you only need the system, the memory card, and the AC adaptor, Sony, take it from Nintendo!) it could still use a price drop at this point in time. |
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Post by Agent Smith on Nov 25, 2006 20:55:27 GMT -5
the psp costs about $200 for sony to make, but the memory stick (which is one gb, which holds alot of info, like 500 songs, or a 2 full length movies, costs about $60, plus the $19 movie, and the $20 game. The entertainment pack is a pretty good deal.
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Post by Waffle Monger on Nov 25, 2006 22:07:51 GMT -5
Sony and Nintendo are more of the creators of the gaming world then microsoft, but they did publish games like Halo, which widend the gaming community even more. But nintendo was there first (actually, magnavox was, but thats if your a huge Pong fan), so i give them big props for that. I say that the major staples in gaming would be: - Nintendo - Microsoft - Sony - Sega - Activision - Capcom - Tecmo - SquareEnix - Namco - Bungie - Q? - Rare and a few other companies, but I say that Nintendo is the most important. in 1985, it saved gaming from the hole it was in and revived it. without the NES, everything now would be nothing. hell, even technoloy of other sorts, even weapons and missle guided systems might not be the same calibur. |
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Post by benwayshouse on Nov 25, 2006 23:34:18 GMT -5
Sony and Nintendo are more of the creators of the gaming world then microsoft, but they did publish games like Halo, which widend the gaming community even more. But nintendo was there first (actually, magnavox was, but thats if your a huge Pong fan), so i give them big props for that. I say that the major staples in gaming would be: - Nintendo - Microsoft - Sony - Sega - Activision - Capcom - Tecmo - SquareEnix - Namco - Bungie - Q? - Rare and a few other companies, but I say that Nintendo is the most important. in 1985, it saved gaming from the hole it was in and revived it. without the NES, everything now would be nothing. hell, even technoloy of other sorts, even weapons and missle guided systems might not be the same calibur. Honestly, as cool as they were/are, I'd have to drop Q? and Rare. Not specifically because they're bad companies, far from it, I just don't think they've gotten a gotten a recent hit to put them on the market as well as making them household names. Their games may be good, but they aren't quite that popular yet. I can only hope Q? gets there though, it deserves every bit of fame, unless that means they'll sell themselves out, but I doubt it. |
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Post by Agent Smith on Nov 25, 2006 23:48:01 GMT -5
I agree, they have been both struggaling for a while now (at least Rare has).
I think that microsoft has gotten into gaming abit too late to be called 2nd though.
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Post by Waffle Monger on Nov 26, 2006 0:19:39 GMT -5
I say that the major staples in gaming would be: - Nintendo - Microsoft - Sony - Sega - Activision - Capcom - Tecmo - SquareEnix - Namco - Bungie - Q? - Rare and a few other companies, but I say that Nintendo is the most important. in 1985, it saved gaming from the hole it was in and revived it. without the NES, everything now would be nothing. hell, even technoloy of other sorts, even weapons and missle guided systems might not be the same calibur. Honestly, as cool as they were/are, I'd have to drop Q? and Rare. Not specifically because they're bad companies, far from it, I just don't think they've gotten a gotten a recent hit to put them on the market as well as making them household names. Their games may be good, but they aren't quite that popular yet. I can only hope Q? gets there though, it deserves every bit of fame, unless that means they'll sell themselves out, but I doubt it. Rare not that popular? They have: - Donkey Kong Country 1-3, 64 - GoldenEye - Perfect Dark - Killer Instinct - Banjoa Kazooie - Kameo - Conker Bad Fur Day - Battletoads - Banjo Tooey (did i get the title right?) - Viva Pinata (haha, WTF?) - Conker Live and Reloaded - Jet Force Gemini Q?: (newer, but raising the bar in its youth) - Lumines - Lumines 2 - Lumines Plus - Lumines Live - Ninety-Nine Nights (while not as good as what it coudl have been, had potential) - Meteos - Every Extend Extra oh, btw, no particular order on the company lsits. microsoft isnt really 2nd. anyways, but yea, they arent late, they are just newer. without xbox, sony wouldnt have a rival to improve, and the online gaming communities would be lackluster if even in a large existecne such as Live. ntoed with the Dreamcast being first, but not as popular as XBL made online gaming and improved it. |
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Post by benwayshouse on Nov 26, 2006 8:31:26 GMT -5
Actually Saturn was the first system to offer 'official' online multiplayer, and the SNES and Genesis had internet capabilities that allowed them to download trial versions of games, or remakes of NES games, or new games entirely. Dreamcast WAS the first widely known console with online multiplayer though, you're right about that.
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Post by Waffle Monger on Nov 26, 2006 12:01:39 GMT -5
I remember about the SNES and Saturn having internet, but it wasn't availble to many for they most likely didn't have internet access, and weren't those internet accessories Japan only?
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Post by Agent Smith on Nov 26, 2006 12:49:16 GMT -5
Actually Saturn was the first system to offer 'official' online multiplayer, and the SNES and Genesis had internet capabilities that allowed them to download trial versions of games, or remakes of NES games, or new games entirely. Dreamcast WAS the first widely known console with online multiplayer though, you're right about that. Gray had already noted that. |
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Post by benwayshouse on Nov 26, 2006 14:55:10 GMT -5
I remember about the SNES and Saturn having internet, but it wasn't availble to many for they most likely didn't have internet access, and weren't those internet accessories Japan only? The Satellaview device was available in Japan only, but the Saturn NetLink modem came out in the states in 1997, and the SEGA channel (Genesis internets, not a TV channel) was available to US customers. But, as you said, the availability of internet for most people bogged down the success, in fact SEGA channel is considered one of SEGA's many reasons for filing for bankruptcy back in 2001. Where, exactly? I wouldn't be writing if I'd seen it. ._. |
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Post by Pilgrim John on Nov 26, 2006 15:08:56 GMT -5
Gray, I believe that you forget about how Rare's N64 "hits" just didn't stand the test of time. Perfect Dark is about as fun as pea soup, Bad Fur Day's "humor" and "gameplay" are sloppy and obnoxious, and Jetforce Gemini--fugeddabottit. However, the DKC games (Especially 2), Battletoads, and Goldeneye are all still fun.
Anyway, Microsoft's only current cash cow would be Halo. You can claim that Elder Scrolls is somewhat important to Microsoft's software lineup, but in comparison to Halo, it's a very, very small somewhat. If it weren't for Halo and the third party support of companies like Tecmo (Dead or Alive series and Ninja Gaiden), I think the Xbox would probably have gone belly-up.
Now, so far, I think that Sega and Nintendo are the two guys who built gaming into what it is today. Those two set so many standards that many companies have a hard time trying to equate to them. Konami, Capcom, and Namco are all also very important to gaming as a whole, with Castlevania, Mega Man, Street Fighter, and Pacman being staples in the biz.
Sony tried to sell video games to the guys who gave us wedgies in the 80's, and in that end, the gaming definition of "cool" was changed. People are being harrassed for playing "kiddie" games like Mario, for example; and GTA is considered "cool", not for the game that it is, but for the content it carries. Gaming was changed in a negative way, I think, and it's been hurting the industry for years. After all, when Sony changed gaming, it fell out of touch with the rest of the world.
With the Wii, Nintendo is trying to change gaming once again, and this time, for the better. They're aiming this game not at the bullies who didn't play games, but at your girlfriend, your parents, your grandparents, and your girlfriend's parents and grandparents. They're aiming this at people whom you care about, so that they can get in the game and play with you instead of being left out by the intimidating controllers that have become the standard.
So, in the end, Nintendo is THE most important game publisher in existence, period. Those who claimed that Nintendo was just another "boutique" publisher didn't see the whole picture: that gaming was out of touch with the rest of the world. Nintendo saw that, and now they're doing something about it.
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Post by benwayshouse on Nov 26, 2006 15:25:32 GMT -5
Yeah, to take a cue from the bit on Rare, Sega's in a very similar position. Not that they're old games withstand the test of time, no, Dreamcast and Saturn are widely heralded as some of the best consoles ever for the first party games, and for what 3rd party games it had. Dreamcast was a wonderful time to be a Sega fan, because they knew what kinds of audiences they had, and to top it off they had the developers to please. They couldn't just churn out crap. With Sega, you got a good game every time they put a game out. Seriously, Sonic Adventure, Space Channel 5, Skies of Arcadia, PSO, ChuChu Rocket, Jet Grind Radio, Seaman, Shenmue, Virtua Fighter... I can only recall two 'crappy' games that they ever endorsed for Dreamcast: TimeStalkers and Sonic Shuffle, and even then they weren't 'crap,' just 'average.'
..Unfortunately, Sony was successful in convincing the consumers that they should get a PS2, not a Dreamcast, and even I don't regret my PS2 purchase one bit. Anyway, After E3 2000 it was just a black period that.. never brought back the Dreamcast userbase. Excellent games were coming out, but the Dreamcast fans were now proud PS2 fans. Christmas 2000 saw a price drop, and loads of new (great) games, but it wasn't enough, so they had to pull the plug in March 2001. We'll never forget you, white dream machine.
So what did that do? Sega was temporarily bankrupt, but E3 2001 brought along a big announcement that they'd develop for all consoles starting later that year, and we were given Monkey Ball, a satisfactory Sonic Adventure 2 port, a Jet Grind Radio sequel, and several other new properties (Otogi, GunValkyrie to name a few) along with the same Sega stamp of quality on every game that came out.
Then 2003 happened. Sega's games weren't as profitable, now they basically live off Sonic, which definitely isn't bad, but at the same time it's not quite how we all remember. They're trying harder than ever to make us all think otherwise, I mean they HAD to have tried when it came to Sonic Rush, and even if Shadow wasn't quite so good, at least it marked a semi-return to form. But all the other good games Sega makes (Panzer Dragoon, Otogi, Astro Boy Omega Factor, to some extent Billy Hatcher) just don't make a blip on the charts like we all hope. Come on guys, Sonic and Monkey Ball aren't their only good properties!
..yeah, now that that's off my chest, I feel okay now. Seems I'm raving about Sega more than usual these days. >_>
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