the world losing its freaking mind

[Pilgrim John]

kingofevil said:

I always discuss this with my dad and we always agree on one answer:
WHY CAN'T ALL FREAKING RELIGIONS ACCEPT OTHER RELIGIONS??

Seriously, if someone believes something, then let that person believe in it. Bloody hell.

What if their religion includes murdering other people? What if their religion says it's OK to sleep with little boys? Judging by your logic, you'd say "Ah, that's all right. They can believe what they want to."
Let's just face it: there are good religions, bad religions, and people who twist and pervert the good religions. The whole issue of religion is far more complicated than any of you are giving it credit for. Think "complex storied movie/game" complicated.
Christianity, at its core, says that God created man, man screwed himself over, and man (as a result) must face the eternal consequences of his actions. God says it's OK to be nice, to be kind, to care about people (Because they are people like you and I), but to despise what evils they do. To wit: homosexuality the lifestyle is wrong, but that doesn't mean that homosexuals are inherent evildoers bent on destroying and corrupting society. They only need to be shown the err of their ways. It's the same story for all people who, mostly unwittingly, commit sins.
And in a world where, in some cases, people are forced to do wrong (Like stealing just to survive, for example), forgiveness is an essential aspect to the Christian belief. God says that all people have the right to live, but not everybody is going to see it that way. To that end, there will be some people who uphold horrible things like war and genocide. Hitler wanted to destroy the Jews, claiming that they were inferior to other, more evolved species of man. Nero wanted to wipe out all the Christians by blaming the burning of Rome on them. Even though they deserved a second chance like everybody else, they refused that second chance. By refusing that second chance to correct themselves, and embracing and loving the crimes they commited, they turned into monsters that the world hated.
Anyway, I think this thread is going to be closed. Remember, we aren't allowed to talk religion or politics on this forum, we are allowed to talk about games. We want to talk politics or religion, we can PM each other about those issues. Here, we can see the foolishness and err of man through the PS3's retarded launch.

[KoE_Hades]

zer0 said:

kingofevil said:

I always discuss this with my dad and we always agree on one answer:
WHY CAN'T ALL FREAKING RELIGIONS ACCEPT OTHER RELIGIONS??

Seriously, if someone believes something, then let that person believe in it. Bloody hell.

What if their religion includes murdering other people? What if their religion says it's OK to sleep with little boys? Judging by your logic, you'd say "Ah, that's all right. They can believe what they want to."
Let's just face it: there are good religions, bad religions, and people who twist and pervert the good religions. The whole issue of religion is far more complicated than any of you are giving it credit for. Think "complex storied movie/game" complicated.
Christianity, at its core, says that God created man, man screwed himself over, and man (as a result) must face the eternal consequences of his actions. God says it's OK to be nice, to be kind, to care about people (Because they are people like you and I), but to despise what evils they do. To wit: homosexuality the lifestyle is wrong, but that doesn't mean that homosexuals are inherent evildoers bent on destroying and corrupting society. They only need to be shown the err of their ways. It's the same story for all people who, mostly unwittingly, commit sins.
And in a world where, in some cases, people are forced to do wrong (Like stealing just to survive, for example), forgiveness is an essential aspect to the Christian belief. God says that all people have the right to live, but not everybody is going to see it that way. To that end, there will be some people who uphold horrible things like war and genocide. Hitler wanted to destroy the Jews, claiming that they were inferior to other, more evolved species of man. Nero wanted to wipe out all the Christians by blaming the burning of Rome on them. Even though they deserved a second chance like everybody else, they refused that second chance. By refusing that second chance to correct themselves, and embracing and loving the crimes they commited, they turned into monsters that the world hated.
Anyway, I think this thread is going to be closed. Remember, we aren't allowed to talk religion or politics on this forum, we are allowed to talk about games. We want to talk politics or religion, we can PM each other about those issues. Here, we can see the foolishness and err of man through the PS3's retarded launch.

If a religion allows some things like that, then let whoever that is weak-minded enough believe in it. That's the thing. Religions worry about the other religions too much. I mean, let's take the never-ending battle between Christianity and Islam for example. They both believe that their own religions is more superior (though one might argue against it). If they are so sure about that, then why worry about the other religion saying "no, we're right, you're wrong". If they say that, then why not just say "ok, if you believe that, then have it your way, but we'll stick with ours." End of story. People have to have faith in themselves, not rely on others or "god". If people have faith in themselves, then it will be easier to give room for others.

Okay, so there I said it. If you don't like what I said, then I don't care. I believe what I said is correct, and if you think I'm out of my mind, then I've got nothing against you.

And yes John, if such a religion like your example existed, and someone believed in it, I really couldn't care less. Who am I to stop this person from believing something?

[fatherlorris]

graymatter said:

@nara: uncalled for. i'm not a christian. i am agnostic, meaning i don't know what i believe, so i'm pretty open minded. sure, some christians give christianity a bad name, but not all of them are like that. not everyone of them is a hyprocrite, or trying to shove it down their throat. everyone is entitled to an opinion, and even though you have an pinion, some things are better left unsaid, unless you aim to piss people off.

um did i say that all christian / yanks are like that. no. i said crackpots.

[Waffle Monger]

fatherlorris said:

graymatter said:

@nara: uncalled for. i'm not a christian. i am agnostic, meaning i don't know what i believe, so i'm pretty open minded. sure, some christians give christianity a bad name, but not all of them are like that. not everyone of them is a hyprocrite, or trying to shove it down their throat. everyone is entitled to an opinion, and even though you have an pinion, some things are better left unsaid, unless you aim to piss people off.

um did i say that all christian / yanks are like that. no. i said crackpots.

well you should have worded it differently. like, those crackpots who claim to be christian. christian crackpots sounds like you are saying they all are.
haha, not upset with ya or anything.

[Pilgrim John]

kingofevil said:

zer0 said:

What if their religion includes murdering other people? What if their religion says it's OK to sleep with little boys? Judging by your logic, you'd say "Ah, that's all right. They can believe what they want to."
Let's just face it: there are good religions, bad religions, and people who twist and pervert the good religions. The whole issue of religion is far more complicated than any of you are giving it credit for. Think "complex storied movie/game" complicated.
Christianity, at its core, says that God created man, man screwed himself over, and man (as a result) must face the eternal consequences of his actions. God says it's OK to be nice, to be kind, to care about people (Because they are people like you and I), but to despise what evils they do. To wit: homosexuality the lifestyle is wrong, but that doesn't mean that homosexuals are inherent evildoers bent on destroying and corrupting society. They only need to be shown the err of their ways. It's the same story for all people who, mostly unwittingly, commit sins.
And in a world where, in some cases, people are forced to do wrong (Like stealing just to survive, for example), forgiveness is an essential aspect to the Christian belief. God says that all people have the right to live, but not everybody is going to see it that way. To that end, there will be some people who uphold horrible things like war and genocide. Hitler wanted to destroy the Jews, claiming that they were inferior to other, more evolved species of man. Nero wanted to wipe out all the Christians by blaming the burning of Rome on them. Even though they deserved a second chance like everybody else, they refused that second chance. By refusing that second chance to correct themselves, and embracing and loving the crimes they commited, they turned into monsters that the world hated.
Anyway, I think this thread is going to be closed. Remember, we aren't allowed to talk religion or politics on this forum, we are allowed to talk about games. We want to talk politics or religion, we can PM each other about those issues. Here, we can see the foolishness and err of man through the PS3's retarded launch.

If a religion allows some things like that, then let whoever that is weak-minded enough believe in it. That's the thing. Religions worry about the other religions too much. I mean, let's take the never-ending battle between Christianity and Islam for example. They both believe that their own religions is more superior (though one might argue against it). If they are so sure about that, then why worry about the other religion saying "no, we're right, you're wrong". If they say that, then why not just say "ok, if you believe that, then have it your way, but we'll stick with ours." End of story. People have to have faith in themselves, not rely on others or "god". If people have faith in themselves, then it will be easier to give room for others.

Okay, so there I said it. If you don't like what I said, then I don't care. I believe what I said is correct, and if you think I'm out of my mind, then I've got nothing against you.

And yes John, if such a religion like your example existed, and someone believed in it, I really couldn't care less. Who am I to stop this person from believing something?

Excuse me, but Christians aren't the ones plowing buildings with airplanes in an attempt to force the world into their religion. Christians aren't the ones who believe that Jews ought to be wiped out. Christians aren't the people whose deep-nurtured beliefs include caste systems, extremist homophobia, and mistreatment of women.
Would you really let someone believe in something that you know can harm them? I don't like the sound of someone getting himself hurt. Maybe that's just how I am, but I'm a people person. I get worried when people do this kind of thing, or believe in these things, because I know they're gonna hurt themselves. I do have to accept the fact that humans are naturally self-destructive. Why else would we have emotions like jealousy, hatred, self-doubt, loneliness, or greed?
What I'd like to see is people overcoming those weaknesses, to overcome being self-destructive, and a long time ago, I figured out the hard way that a man can't do that on his own. I needed God for that.
But you need to realize that Islam, and I hate saying this mind you, is a destructive religion that centers around things like bloodshed and dominance. Muhammed was more warlord than prophet. He made up these ridiculous excuses promoting ugly things like male chauvenism, extreme homophobia, and even child molesting (He conveniently had a "revelation" that said just now that it was A-OK to marry a nine-year-old girl). His religion is anything but a religion of peace. Take Pakistan for example: the most Islamic country on Earth, with rules like

• If any one person is discovered to be a homosexual, they get a wall dropped on them without fair trial.
  
• Anyone of a religion other than Islam doesn't get half the opportunities or benefits of Muslims, and Judaism is simply a no-no.
  

But anyway, you need to do your homework whenever it comes to these things, Mephisto. Like I said, it's far more complicated than what you give it credit for.
But like I've stated before, this discussion is about the launch of the PS3 and here we are talking about religion. What gives?

[Waffle Monger]

zer0 said:

kingofevil said:

If a religion allows some things like that, then let whoever that is weak-minded enough believe in it. That's the thing. Religions worry about the other religions too much. I mean, let's take the never-ending battle between Christianity and Islam for example. They both believe that their own religions is more superior (though one might argue against it). If they are so sure about that, then why worry about the other religion saying "no, we're right, you're wrong". If they say that, then why not just say "ok, if you believe that, then have it your way, but we'll stick with ours." End of story. People have to have faith in themselves, not rely on others or "god". If people have faith in themselves, then it will be easier to give room for others.

Okay, so there I said it. If you don't like what I said, then I don't care. I believe what I said is correct, and if you think I'm out of my mind, then I've got nothing against you.

And yes John, if such a religion like your example existed, and someone believed in it, I really couldn't care less. Who am I to stop this person from believing something?

Excuse me, but Christians aren't the ones plowing buildings with airplanes in an attempt to force the world into their religion. Christians aren't the ones who believe that Jews ought to be wiped out. Christians aren't the people whose deep-nurtured beliefs include caste systems, extremist homophobia, and mistreatment of women.
Would you really let someone believe in something that you know can harm them? I don't like the sound of someone getting himself hurt. Maybe that's just how I am, but I'm a people person. I get worried when people do this kind of thing, or believe in these things, because I know they're gonna hurt themselves. I do have to accept the fact that humans are naturally self-destructive. Why else would we have emotions like jealousy, hatred, self-doubt, loneliness, or greed?
What I'd like to see is people overcoming those weaknesses, to overcome being self-destructive, and a long time ago, I figured out the hard way that a man can't do that on his own. I needed God for that.
But you need to realize that Islam, and I hate saying this mind you, is a destructive religion that centers around things like bloodshed and dominance. Muhammed was more warlord than prophet. He made up these ridiculous excuses promoting ugly things like male chauvenism, extreme homophobia, and even child molesting (He conveniently had a "revelation" that said just now that it was A-OK to marry a nine-year-old girl). His religion is anything but a religion of peace. Take Pakistan for example: the most Islamic country on Earth, with rules like

• If any one person is discovered to be a homosexual, they get a wall dropped on them without fair trial.
  
• Anyone of a religion other than Islam doesn't get half the opportunities or benefits of Muslims, and Judaism is simply a no-no.
  

But anyway, you need to do your homework whenever it comes to these things, Mephisto. Like I said, it's far more complicated than what you give it credit for.
But like I've stated before, this discussion is about the launch of the PS3 and here we are talking about religion. What gives?

911, those guys are extremists. That was a terroristic act they are trying to hide behind their religion. It's like saying the devil made me do it.

Werent Hitler and the nazis Christian

Doesn't it "say" in the bible that homosexuality is wrong? Whats the deal with that? If they wanna get married and its considered a "sin" or whatever, let them "sin". It won't change the fact that they are gay and having gay sex.

I'm not a man of religion, but a man of good will towards others. I prefer a freedom as long as people don't hurt others, and that everyone has a right to do something as long as it doesn't involve:
- killing
- injuring
- raping
- stealing for gain (excludes survival)
- lying
- cheating
- hypcropisy
and i do believe that the 7 sins are deep inside of us, and it takes a strong will a good heart to avert from that. not a belief. just good will to not delve into those. those are all destructive. it doesn't take a genius to figure out that all those 7 sins are destructive whether you are religious or not. i believe religion to be something to keep order for the savages in those dark times when we were 10 hairs away from being a baboon for **** sakes. whether god exists or not, and if he does, what his role is, is totally different from a religion. i see a bible as a way of teaching you to be a good person, but some people take it too far sometimes. im into philosophy btw.

Islam this, Islam that. Religions change when new pepople have the power to. I mean look at the bible. I'm sure that it got changed a lot durng the transition from Latin to English. Unless someone can prove that there were no significant changes, I don't trust the modern bible on some issues. And who wrote the Old Testament? The Jews. A different language, different culture. Christians come and read it and **** it up from time to time.

I saw the execution of these 2 gay boys in Pakistan on the net. That was f'd up and pisses me off.

I guess we went waaaay off-topic due to:
- lack of authority
- lack of structure
- friendliness and personal feelings between members (who are few and are regulars)
- lack of an OT board to dump this in (only without the useless spam crap)

and analogy:
er... fanboys and their system wars are the same things as people and their religions

[*NormalGamer*]

Guys, guys! We're getting off topic! Were suppose to be talking about the PS3 launch shootings on this thread.

Let's not get this thread locked because of religous debates.

[KoE_Hades]

zer0 said:

kingofevil said:

If a religion allows some things like that, then let whoever that is weak-minded enough believe in it. That's the thing. Religions worry about the other religions too much. I mean, let's take the never-ending battle between Christianity and Islam for example. They both believe that their own religions is more superior (though one might argue against it). If they are so sure about that, then why worry about the other religion saying "no, we're right, you're wrong". If they say that, then why not just say "ok, if you believe that, then have it your way, but we'll stick with ours." End of story. People have to have faith in themselves, not rely on others or "god". If people have faith in themselves, then it will be easier to give room for others.

Okay, so there I said it. If you don't like what I said, then I don't care. I believe what I said is correct, and if you think I'm out of my mind, then I've got nothing against you.

And yes John, if such a religion like your example existed, and someone believed in it, I really couldn't care less. Who am I to stop this person from believing something?

Excuse me, but Christians aren't the ones plowing buildings with airplanes in an attempt to force the world into their religion. Christians aren't the ones who believe that Jews ought to be wiped out. Christians aren't the people whose deep-nurtured beliefs include caste systems, extremist homophobia, and mistreatment of women.
Would you really let someone believe in something that you know can harm them? I don't like the sound of someone getting himself hurt. Maybe that's just how I am, but I'm a people person. I get worried when people do this kind of thing, or believe in these things, because I know they're gonna hurt themselves. I do have to accept the fact that humans are naturally self-destructive. Why else would we have emotions like jealousy, hatred, self-doubt, loneliness, or greed?
What I'd like to see is people overcoming those weaknesses, to overcome being self-destructive, and a long time ago, I figured out the hard way that a man can't do that on his own. I needed God for that.
But you need to realize that Islam, and I hate saying this mind you, is a destructive religion that centers around things like bloodshed and dominance. Muhammed was more warlord than prophet. He made up these ridiculous excuses promoting ugly things like male chauvenism, extreme homophobia, and even child molesting (He conveniently had a "revelation" that said just now that it was A-OK to marry a nine-year-old girl). His religion is anything but a religion of peace. Take Pakistan for example: the most Islamic country on Earth, with rules like

• If any one person is discovered to be a homosexual, they get a wall dropped on them without fair trial.
  
• Anyone of a religion other than Islam doesn't get half the opportunities or benefits of Muslims, and Judaism is simply a no-no.
  

But anyway, you need to do your homework whenever it comes to these things, Mephisto. Like I said, it's far more complicated than what you give it credit for.
But like I've stated before, this discussion is about the launch of the PS3 and here we are talking about religion. What gives?

Okay, just to make my point clear, I'm not saying that Christians and Muslims are the bad guys. I don't mean that. All I'm saying is that we must learn to co-operate.

And for me, I already said I don't give a damn if someone is hurting himself or whatever. But if you don't like the sound of thyat John, then I won't stop you from stopping those people. I used to think the same way. But one day, somehow, I turned around 180 degrees. All my views of the worlds changed. I still wonder how it did. Now I just don't care. But don't get me wrong, I'm not at all selfish to the people close to me. I want the best for them. I look after them and give them my utmost respect.

Ok, no more shall be said about this by me. In fact, I'll stop posting in this thread henceforth.

[fatherlorris]

normalgamer said:

Guys, guys! We're getting off topic! Were suppose to be talking about the PS3 launch shootings on this thread.

Let's not get this thread locked because of religous debates.

who is going to lock it?

[ruben_gamer4life]

fatherlorris said:

normalgamer said:

Guys, guys! We're getting off topic! Were suppose to be talking about the PS3 launch shootings on this thread.

Let's not get this thread locked because of religous debates.

who is going to lock it?

The people who lock the threads can be Oscar or Jason.

[fatherlorris]

but they aren't active. thats why i said it.

[benwayshouse]

All I'm going to say on the matter, is;

Christians aren't the people whose deep-nurtured beliefs include caste systems, extremist homophobia

You obviously haven't heard of Fred Phelps.