Who Stays, Who Goes?

[Pilgrim John]

Welcome, everyone, to the thread where you post which video game character you want obliterated. Burned. Destroyed. Mopped off the face of the planet. You can also decide which characters are treated unfairly by the populace. Defend or attack, which to do?
I DEFEND: The Chaotix (From the Sonic Games)
WHY? Because they are cool, each with his own colorful personality. Espio has that edge to him where he is highly skilled, never slacks off, doesn't take lip, and takes everything seriously. Vector is the punk with a heart of gold who will gladly take on a job if it doesn't contradict his morals. Charmy... Well, he's a bit of an airhead, but he has his high points.
The only thing Sega needs to do is elaborate on their pasts (Because their pasts make them who they are!) and give them appropriate voice actors. Not Fozzie Bear. Not Nasally Kid Next Door. Preferrably Vector's and Espio's voices from Sonic Heroes, and find a new actor for Charmy.
I ATTACK: Tommy Versetti (GTA Vice City)
This guy is a loser. "buT PilGRiM johN, hE'S lIKE $O toTALLy v01Ced by RaY LIottA!" PPfft. So what. Tommy is a potato plank in an ugly shirt. He has the personality of a toenail clipper. Get over it; he sucks.
Anybody else want to throw tomatoes at the overrated and shield the underrated? I know I can't be the only one.

[Jason-RN]

I defend: Ice Climbers
Nobody seems to care about the Ice Climbers... And I'm not talking about the Eskimo children in Smash Bros. I'm talking about the original Ice Climbers from the NES game. They rock, and so does their game.

I attack: Ty The Tasmanian Tiger
I'm sorry, but this guy is just annoying... Why do they keep making new games starring him?

[Pilgrim John]

From what I gather, Ty's latest adventure is also his last. Thank God.
And you're absolutely right, Jason. The Ice Climbers (And their game) are overlooked simply because they look silly. I own Ice Climber for GBA (That one rerelease), and have had a ton of fun with it. They need a sequel.

[Richard-RN]

I defend: Samus Aran. While Metroid Prime was a great experienc, Echoes blew it away in every aspect. It even added a bare-bones multiplayer mode so that people would stop rolling their eyes at its noticeable absence. Then when the multiplayer mode was implemented, everyone said how much it sucked. I, for one, think Metroid Prime 2's multiplayer was a fun distraction from the main game, which might possibly be the best single player experience so far this generation. Though Samus is usually not the direct target of attacks, people tend to doubt the claim that her games are in fact "FPA"s and fail to comprehend that the Metroid series is about solitude and atmosphere, not Halo 2-esque multiplayer (which I also love, btw).

I attack: Lara Croft. Perhaps the worst video game character in history, Lara Craft sold PSX games primarily because her breasts were abnormally large and she was the first popular female lead in a video game. I could not believe some of my friends actually LIKED the game, and some of my female friends bought it solely for the fact that it was a video game where you play as a girl. My response: Yes, support the Japanese developer tendency to release games such as DOA: Xtreme Volleyball that obviously have such redeeming gameplay values. Girls, if you want to play as a female in a video game, check out entries in the Metroid and Perfect Dark series. I assure you that those games give you more reasons to warrant a purchase than any game affiliated with Lara Croft or the "Tomb Raider" franchise.

Dear Eidos,
Please stop making sucky games. In fact, stop making games period. You gave up your only good franchise when Timesplitters went to EA. On a related note:

Dear Free Radical,
I love you guys. Give me another Timesplitters. Now.

[Pilgrim John]

Er... I notice you defend Samus' games rather than just Samus. But that's okay--after all, I think it's silly that people whined about the absence of Metroid multiplayer, then bemoaned it when it was implimented. I've played it, and it doesn't suck.
As far as Metroid goes, though... I think the series is overrated. That's not to say that the games aren't good (Besides the first, I HATED that one), but not once have I heard anyone SHUT UP ABOUT METROID PRIME when it came out. I played it. It was excellent, but not lifechanging.

[Jason-RN]

zer0 said:

From what I gather, Ty's latest adventure is also his last. Thank God.
And you're absolutely right, Jason. The Ice Climbers (And their game) are overlooked simply because they look silly. I own Ice Climber for GBA (That one rerelease), and have had a ton of fun with it. They need a sequel.

Yeah, Ice Climber should get a sequel... Now that I think about, the game could work perfectly on DS and use a lot of the system's features. For example, the mountains could span both screens.

[Richard-RN]

but not once have I heard anyone SHUT UP ABOUT METROID PRIME when it came out. I played it. It was excellent, but not lifechanging.

Oh dear....IGN boards (not GC boards, but rather vesti and others). They WOULD NOT shut up about the controls, they basically said it sucked because it didnt have dual analog. It was seriously the most retarded arguement I've ever gotten into...

[Pilgrim John]

Then again, that's just what you got through saying. People see a game in first-person perspective, they think "Ooh! It's another shooter!" They don't stop to think that MAYBE, it's a Metroid game, not Halo or Halflife 2 or TimeSplitters, but noooOOOOOooo! "The aiming sucks! Whaaah," said the intellectually microscopic GTA-fed public. Not stopping at whining about the aiming, they go off and say that Metroid Prime is "one of the stupidest FPS games in history and Nintendo doesn't know what they're doing." Which is especially childish since "stupidest" isn't even a word. Well, that and Metroid Prime is an ADVENTURE game, not an FPS game. They might as well be saying that Tales of freakin' Symphonia is the "stupidest" arcade shooter game ever and Namco doesn't know what a shooter is supposed to look like.
The same goes for people who hate Shadow the Hedgehog (Game Informer, if you're reading this, then
"(_)(_) SPANK ME!"). Their major complaint is that it's too "violent" or "out-of-place" to be a Sonic game. So... your major ache is that it's a game... That ISN'T about Sonic... not BEING a Sonic game. Huh. GI even compares the game to "Sesame Street discovering Elmo's meth addiction", which is not only completely untrue but a stupid comparison. Sonic was always heralded as "Mario for college kids", so why not a Sonic-related piece of merchandise that has more mature themes in it? And by mature, I don't mean blood or guts or drugs or hedgehog sex or whatever, since there isn't even any in the game. If that WERE in the game, then it WOULD be out of place. But it isn't. It keeps true to most Sonic themes, save for the swearing, good/bad storyline, and gunplay. That's all that's really different than a Sonic title. And they complained about it.

[mylescloutier]

I'm also sick and tired of these stupid people and their stupid run of the mill FPS. SURE Halo 2 is fun. I'll admit it. But we only need one FPS EXACTLY like it. I mean come on. Add some originality. For example Unreal Tournament has been the same thing since the first one. The first one is all I need thanks.

Anyways. I'll defend: The Prince (From PoP)

Now, I've only played The Sands of Time, and I hear the second one sucked. But, honestly it's not his fault. He didn't want to change. He was a great character trying to do the hero thing. He was wity, immature yet mature. And he could SLOW DOWN TIME! Thats just too cool.

"I ATTACK: Tommy Versetti (GTA Vice City)
This guy is a loser. "buT PilGRiM johN, hE'S lIKE $O toTALLy v01Ced by RaY LIottA!" PPfft. So what. Tommy is a potato plank in an ugly shirt. He has the personality of a toenail clipper. Get over it; he sucks."

Okay, so I just copy and pasted that but. it is exactly right. Stupid Grand Theft Auto and Stupid every character ever in GTA.

[Pilgrim John]

Well, Tommy Versetti isn't the only uberdork who is unfairly treated equal. Yep, his name is Kratos, from God of War. Why he's so popular is beyond me. So all we need to do to make a great character is give him barely any personality besides being extremely violent... an ugly scruff on his chin... make him bald... and an old guy... with pale skin... and suddenly, he's "edgy." Dude, Shadow the Hedgehog is violent, and even he has more personality than this freak. His backstory doesn't interest me, even though people tell me his past was cool. How am I supposed to care about a character's backstory if the character himself has no personality?
And besides that, he really doesn't stike me as being a "badass". You want badass, watch Dante or Soma Cruz or Link or any of the Smith personas from Killer 7. They kick a ton of ass. Kratos seriously pales (Hah ha, I'm funny) in comparison.
Also, I'll defend Shadow the Hedgehog, since I've mentioned him a lot. Why do people think he's lame? Is it because of the amnesia? I understand that amnesia is done to death, but here, it's understandable--Eggman recovered Shadow's body and resuscitated him back to life in order to clone him (See Sonic Heroes), and in the process wiped his memory clean... perhaps as a way to better control the real one. After all, none of his android clones would be nearly as powerful... so the real one could probably be used to lead the forces and not betray Eggman.
Anyway, Shadow's past is more intriguing than Kratos' because I actually care about Shadow. He has that "should I take vengeance, or should I keep my promise to Maria?" conscience to him. Kratos would kill off his own army platoons to become a god and make out with really ugly women. Shadow vs. Kratos... Shadow would totally win.

[Richard-RN]

Sorry Pilgrim John, but I can't just let you pick on Kratos like that when you obviously have not played through the game...and if you have then some of your points make little sense.
I DEFEND: Kratos. It is true, Kratos is an outrageously violent character with only a single goal throughout the game. You might not be interested in his back story, but perhaps if you played through the game you would understand why his personality is that way. Another thing to consider is that he was a Spartan general, and that Spartan generals were generally not the most ardent pacifists. There are reasons for his appearance, especially the pale complexion of his skin. On the other hand, I HAVE played (though not completely through) Shadow the Hedgehog, and I can see where you are coming from. Shadow himself is not a bad character. His game, however, is a really shoddy production. I would rather learn about the past of Kratos any day for the sole fact that his game is one of the most impressive achievements this generation in terms of overall quality (art direction, sound, gameplay, etc.) Though I was somewhat interested in Shadow's story, his game is just too sub-par for me to continue.

[Pilgrim John]

Wow, you actually spelled my name right. People keep misspelling "Pilgrim" as "Pilgram" or "Pilgrem". I don't understand that.
But back to the Shadow vs. Kratos thing. So what if I've never played God of War. Maybe I just never cared about a pale, half-nekked bald guy running around with his teeth bared as if he's constipated. And sure, Spartan generals were never pacifists. I never said they were. Did I say Kratos was a wussy? No, I just said he was lame.
Good thing about you liking Shadow though. Why didn't you like the game? I enjoyed the hell out of it. (NOTE: If you play the missions in the right order, most of the story makes sense. If you try to play "good" then "bad" then "good" over and over, you'll get confused)

[Dan-RN]

zer0 said:

Wow, you actually spelled my name right. People keep misspelling "Pilgrim" as "Pilgram" or "Pilgrem". I don't understand that.
But back to the Shadow vs. Kratos thing. So what if I've never played God of War. Maybe I just never cared about a pale, half-nekked bald guy running around with his teeth bared as if he's constipated. And sure, Spartan generals were never pacifists. I never said they were. Did I say Kratos was a wussy? No, I just said he was lame.
Good thing about you liking Shadow though. Why didn't you like the game? I enjoyed the hell out of it. (NOTE: If you play the missions in the right order, most of the story makes sense. If you try to play "good" then "bad" then "good" over and over, you'll get confused)

You didn't play the game and have no concept of its story, as is evident by your posts. That in mind, you have no reason to "attack" Kratos when you never even bothered with his game. You throw all of these generalizations on him and then ask us not to do the same for Shadow.. whatever, suit yourself.

[Richard-RN]

You didn't play the game and have no concept of its story, as is evident by your posts. That in mind, you have no reason to "attack" Kratos when you never even bothered with his game. You throw all of these generalizations on him and then ask us not to do the same for Shadow.. whatever, suit yourself.

QFT

[Pilgrim John]

Okay, look... It's like this: if being gory and violent and having an excuse to be that way is really all it took for me to like the guy, then I wouldn't have ragged on Tommy Versetti either. I just don't see any other good side of Kratos other than his violent side. Shadow actually shows other sides to his personality; that's why I liked him.
Well, that and I don't have a PS2. So even if I wanted to play GoW.... I couldn't. So of course I don't have a straight realization of who Kratos is. And I wouldn't care.
Let's just get back on topic, shall we?